said and was talking about how mitt romney believes that 30% of the american people are takers -- that's my mom, that's my dad, he sadism the obama campaign has to be very happy with what biden did there. i mean, i was surprised that the president didn't do it in the last debate. i think biden made a lot of strong points, i just don't know where -- did women find him likeable. the other thing, i thought about it midway through, the obama campaign may not care. i mean, they may have sent him out there to really descrive -- drive through the points. nobody's going to vote for president for whether or not they like joe biden. i would have made him more likeable. but it may have just been about scoring points about pushing through, bringing up the 47% and really driving it. >> paul ryan had the last word saying i think the vice-president knows words don't always come out the right way on that's 47%. we are getting a preview on how they may handle that. back to you in a empty. >> wonk one thing's clear, the vice-president had more energy than the president in his first debate. let's go down t